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		<title>By: Malcom Ramiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcom Ramiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, Keep up the Great work :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, Keep up the Great work <img src='http://www.interwest.com/software-as-a-service/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Cleveland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Cleveland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venture capital firms have access to a variety of sources that provide financing and background data for private companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venture capital firms have access to a variety of sources that provide financing and background data for private companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Cramer</title>
		<link>http://www.interwest.com/software-as-a-service/investment/the-capital-needed-to-create-a-saas-company/comment-page-1/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, 2004... Salesforce.com when public June 23rd, 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, 2004&#8230; Salesforce.com when public June 23rd, 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Cramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salesforce.com went public on June 23rd of 2000. (http://searchcrm.techtarget.com/news/989905/At-long-last-Salesforce-com-goes-public), also (http://www.silicon.com/technology/software/2004/06/23/salesforcecom-ups-ipo-price-again-to-110m-39121600/)

How did you find out how much Salesforce.com raised in capital? Did they raise any more between initial financing and the IPO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salesforce.com went public on June 23rd of 2000. (<a href="http://searchcrm.techtarget.com/news/989905/At-long-last-Salesforce-com-goes-public)" rel="nofollow">http://searchcrm.techtarget.com/news/989905/At-long-last-Salesforce-com-goes-public)</a>, also (<a href="http://www.silicon.com/technology/software/2004/06/23/salesforcecom-ups-ipo-price-again-to-110m-39121600/" rel="nofollow">http://www.silicon.com/technology/software/2004/06/23/salesforcecom-ups-ipo-price-again-to-110m-39121600/</a>)</p>
<p>How did you find out how much Salesforce.com raised in capital? Did they raise any more between initial financing and the IPO?</p>
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		<title>By: Software as a Service (SaaS) - Measuring Your CAC Effectiveness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Software as a Service (SaaS) - Measuring Your CAC Effectiveness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recently, I&#8217;ve had a few conversations with people regarding my version of the Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) ratio. As a reminder, my version of the CAC ratio is: [($Total Sales + $Total Marketing)/$First Year Contract Value]. The objective is to make the CAC ratio less than 1 which implies a customer acquisition payback of a year or less. This is the ratio I recommend companies use to measure their sales/marketing effectiveness. I discussed this a year or so ago in this blog in a post titled &#8220;The Capital Needed to Create a SaaS Company&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Recently, I&#8217;ve had a few conversations with people regarding my version of the Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) ratio. As a reminder, my version of the CAC ratio is: [($Total Sales + $Total Marketing)/$First Year Contract Value]. The objective is to make the CAC ratio less than 1 which implies a customer acquisition payback of a year or less. This is the ratio I recommend companies use to measure their sales/marketing effectiveness. I discussed this a year or so ago in this blog in a post titled &#8220;The Capital Needed to Create a SaaS Company&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: programlar</title>
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		<dc:creator>programlar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: How far will Workday go with its $75 million? &#124; Software as Services &#124; ZDNet.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>How far will Workday go with its $75 million? &#124; Software as Services &#124; ZDNet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] December, Bruce Cleveland published a table compiled by Wachovia Securities in May 2008 listing the amount of capital paid in prior to an IPO for 18 public SaaS companies. Of the 18, only Blackboard (barely) topped $100 million. The figures [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] December, Bruce Cleveland published a table compiled by Wachovia Securities in May 2008 listing the amount of capital paid in prior to an IPO for 18 public SaaS companies. Of the 18, only Blackboard (barely) topped $100 million. The figures [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marketing Costs for SaaS Companies &#124; CloudAve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marketing Costs for SaaS Companies &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just come across a post from Bruce Cleveland of Interwest VC that details the pre-IPO capital paid into 18 public SaaS [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thorsten Claus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thorsten Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bruce,

1/  You write that &quot;A good target ratio [for CAC/ACV] to strive for is 1 or less...&quot; - That&#039;s a trick question for a SaaS company :) Traditional telecom subscriber models for example would only count the costs to acquire the customer (as the name says), and that&#039;s it. No accounting of follow-up costs, etc. However, with SaaS a lot of the companies you&#039;re listing have a Pay-What-You-Use-And-Quit-Anytime practice.  So CAC are ongoing, you never end trying to acquire the customer. Philippe Botteri had an interesting post last year about that (http://cracking-the-code.blogspot.com/2008/03/measuring-sales-and-marketing.html). 

2/  Having said that, I guess for every company that CAC/ACV ratio should be less than 1: if your costs for NEW customers is already higher than your revenues (let&#039;s assume you don&#039;t have any other revenues other than from your subscribers), you&#039;re loosing money, right? And that already assumes that you measured the CAC per subscriber / customer for a year, not per quarter or month... I&#039;m confused, maybe you can comment on that.

3/  In the second-to-last paragraph (&quot;In order for the SaaS business model to work, ...&quot;), do you say that because SaaS companies are fragile flowers who are more receptive to software usage issues and bugs than other companies? Because I would think that again for any company you would like to keep &quot;sales and marketing costs as low as possible&quot; - and fortunately you later add &quot;practicable&quot;. Self-Service-And-Help-Portals was a buzz word about five years ago, and since then most of the companies have such portals in place, from computer equipment manufacturers to eBay stores to wineries. So why exactly do SaaS companies have to pay special attention to that, more than other companies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bruce,</p>
<p>1/  You write that &#8220;A good target ratio [for CAC/ACV] to strive for is 1 or less&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; That&#8217;s a trick question for a SaaS company <img src='http://www.interwest.com/software-as-a-service/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Traditional telecom subscriber models for example would only count the costs to acquire the customer (as the name says), and that&#8217;s it. No accounting of follow-up costs, etc. However, with SaaS a lot of the companies you&#8217;re listing have a Pay-What-You-Use-And-Quit-Anytime practice.  So CAC are ongoing, you never end trying to acquire the customer. Philippe Botteri had an interesting post last year about that (<a href="http://cracking-the-code.blogspot.com/2008/03/measuring-sales-and-marketing.html)" rel="nofollow">http://cracking-the-code.blogspot.com/2008/03/measuring-sales-and-marketing.html)</a>. </p>
<p>2/  Having said that, I guess for every company that CAC/ACV ratio should be less than 1: if your costs for NEW customers is already higher than your revenues (let&#8217;s assume you don&#8217;t have any other revenues other than from your subscribers), you&#8217;re loosing money, right? And that already assumes that you measured the CAC per subscriber / customer for a year, not per quarter or month&#8230; I&#8217;m confused, maybe you can comment on that.</p>
<p>3/  In the second-to-last paragraph (&#8221;In order for the SaaS business model to work, &#8230;&#8221;), do you say that because SaaS companies are fragile flowers who are more receptive to software usage issues and bugs than other companies? Because I would think that again for any company you would like to keep &#8220;sales and marketing costs as low as possible&#8221; &#8211; and fortunately you later add &#8220;practicable&#8221;. Self-Service-And-Help-Portals was a buzz word about five years ago, and since then most of the companies have such portals in place, from computer equipment manufacturers to eBay stores to wineries. So why exactly do SaaS companies have to pay special attention to that, more than other companies?</p>
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		<title>By: Loopfuse Gets Series A Funding from True Ventures &#124; The Internet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loopfuse Gets Series A Funding from True Ventures &#124; The Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] funded another company in the marketing automation space (Marketo), has a great blog entry about how much money it takes to build a SaaS vendor. He focuses specifically on the cost of marketing: &#8220;SaaS companies do need to aggressively [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] funded another company in the marketing automation space (Marketo), has a great blog entry about how much money it takes to build a SaaS vendor. He focuses specifically on the cost of marketing: &#8220;SaaS companies do need to aggressively [...]</p>
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